Our Journey

In this very first episode of Hot Flash and Sassy, hosts Holly and Renee kick things off by sharing who they are, how they met, and what led them to start this podcast. From unexpected symptoms and confusing doctor visits to “aha” moments and hard-earned clarity, they open up about their personal roads to hormone freedom.

This episode sets the tone for real, unfiltered conversations about perimenopause, menopause, and everything in between — with humor, honesty, and plenty of sass. If you’ve ever felt unheard, overwhelmed, or wondered if what you’re experiencing is “normal,” this is where your journey with us begins.

Transcript

SPEAKER_00 0:04

Hot Flash and Sassy, a podcast with hot takes, hotter flashes, and a whole lot of sass. Welcome to Hot Flash and Sassy, the podcast where life's curveballs meet a whole lot of attitude. I'm Holly, and I'm here to keep it real, laugh at the chaos.

SPEAKER_01 0:29

And I'm Renee, here to remind you that even in the heat of the moment, we've got plenty of sass to spare. Each week we'll share stories, swap a little wisdom, and probably overshare just enough to make it fun. Or a little bit uncomfortable. So grab your coffee or your cocktail and let's dive in.

SPEAKER_00 0:48

Alright, in this episode, we're gonna meet myself and Renee and learn about our journey to hormone freedom. This is something that's I think a topic that's been really important to Renee and I. Firstly, we have found a path of hormone freedom that has worked for us, but I think it's important that we disclaimer that we are not pushing what our hormone freedom is and that we respect anybody's um decision on what they do with this information. Rather that be just validation on how you're feeling, or if you want to take action and do something differently, that is up to you. We support you. Um we just want to talk about it because I feel like it's never talked about.

SPEAKER_01 1:28

It is definitely never talked about. They need to know that they're not alone.

SPEAKER_00 1:32

You are not alone, and you're not crazy. Like you cannot no matter what your husband says, you might be crazy, but it's it's from hormones, it's from your imbalance of hormones. They are connected to everything. So that is our intent here. Um, we really got here uh a few years ago, which we both kind of were in situations with our health of our reproductive system, I guess. Um, and I had to have a hysterectomy. And we'll get into the history of why I had to do that at a different time, but mostly I felt like crap. Um, I had the hysterectomy. It was scary to go in and do it. I was really, really nervous about hormones because they had to take my ovaries, and which means I wasn't going to produce the hormones that I needed. And I was 38 at the time, which is really early to go into full-on menopause. So I started talking to my mother, who thankfully was open with me to share about her hormone journey.

SPEAKER_01 2:34

Shouldn't we tell them your mom's name? Because they're gonna hear it a lot. That's right.

SPEAKER_00 2:43

Yes. Uh, and I mean, I'm I am thankful that she opened up and shared to me like her experience of how she felt after she had a hysterectomy. And, you know, she said she went two years without crying, you know, just didn't have the emotion, all these things. Um, and that really helped me realize like how important that was gonna be, especially for my journey of recovery after this hysterectomy. And so um I looked into different options, and what I ended up choosing was essentially um pellets that I get inserted into my hip. Um, because I will forget to take an oral medicine or put the cream on. And it is like wholeheartedly the best thing I've done. I'm sure paired with the hysterectomy based on my medical history, I you know dealt with a a lot since I started my menstrual cycle. So I think that getting that relief on top of having hormones, like I actually feel like a human being again.

SPEAKER_01 3:37

And you have to know with the pellets, the time. It's so nice to just go once every three, four months, whatever your duration is, and get the insertion done, and then you're done. Yes. You have two children. Yes, it's time consuming with schedules to try and fit in multiple doctoral appointments or to remember to take the pills or the creams or whatever they t prescribe you. Right, right.

SPEAKER_00 4:03

And that's I mean, I think it's important to note that Renee and I both work full-time. We're both mothers, both have two kids, we've got partners, we have houses to take care of, it's a busy life. Um, but it doesn't for me, it's not like hell now. And I hate to say that, but it's like I had days before I mean, I obviously had some issues with my hormones before I had my hysterectomy. Now I see that, and I'm like, maybe I should have got that checked first. But I would come home and I'm like, just what time am I gonna put these kids to bed? Like, I didn't want to do anything with them, I wanted to go to bed. Right.

SPEAKER_01 4:40

Like, how early can they go to bed so you can just go to bed?

SPEAKER_00 4:43

Yes, I was so irritable, which is awful, and it's just that's not my life anymore. I mean, I'm I don't have bad days, that's what I was saying, but I'm just most of my days. I'm come home and don't mind going for a walk, we'll play outside. I don't counting down to their bedtime.

SPEAKER_01 5:00

Well, and the other thing with you, you have this awesome workout routine now, which was something you didn't have the energy to do before, which is amazing for your health, of course, mental and physical.

SPEAKER_00 5:11

Yeah, yeah. That's a big thing is that I've used to always work out, and then it's just slowly, and once you have the kids, it's like you know, the first one I did okay with after I had my second, I mean, I don't know, I was messed up. But I mean, I was. I think my hormones just were completely out of whack. And I never wanted to work out. I hated it. I could go for some walks, but I wasn't motivated. And now I work out six days a week. I walk every day, like just and it's not a chore to do it. I'm excited to do it, I like to do it, I feel better.

SPEAKER_01 5:46

You're not just doing it because you have to do it, you enjoy it, you actually enjoy it.

SPEAKER_00 5:50

Correct. Right. There's a benefit to it, and I can see that. I'm like one of those annoying people because that's what I mean. I used to, people would talk about working out, and now they did it every day, and they woke up early. I rolled my eyes. Like I just did. I am annoyed just even saying it now. But like I get it now. I'm like, that's me.

SPEAKER_01 6:08

Well, that is we have a long, extensive list of topics that we'll cover, but fatigue is definitely on that list. But what about all the other symptoms? Acne, weight gain, weight loss, energy loss, anxiety, sleeplessness, menopause belly. I don't know one single person that's in my age group that doesn't suffer from at least one of these. Right. More than likely, probably a handful of them. Right.

SPEAKER_00 6:37

Which ones do you think were your were the biggest for you before you started on a journey?

SPEAKER_01 6:43

Weight gain. Insane, could not figure out where it was coming from, why I was gaining. I ate differently, I tried all sorts of diets, I did all the things to try and stimulate my metabolism, and I was just stagnant. I never hit 200 pounds, but I felt like I was 300 pounds. I just felt inflamed and enlarged all the time. So bloated and so gross. And you just don't even like to look at yourself in the mirror, you know. You're like, that is not me. So somebody find that person that's deep down in there that's really her.

SPEAKER_00 7:18

Right. And that probably impacts all these other things, right? Like when you don't when you are dealing with weight gain. I mean, you do have the fatigue, you do, I mean the anxiety, you talk about that, like what that mental load is on you.

SPEAKER_01 7:31

It was terrible. It was awful just because I thought there has to be something wrong inside. And I went to doctor appointment after doctor appointment. Let's put that in there, the time to go to all these doctors' appointments to find out nothing's actually wrong with you, and they want to call this thing perimenopause, whatever the heck that is. And they just label you perimenopause and send you on your way when you physically cannot walk, your joints hurt, your belly hurts, your head hurts, everything hurts on your body, and everybody's like, oh no, you're fine. No, bullshit. I'm not fine. Find somebody to tell me what's wrong with me, fix it.

unknown 8:09

Right.

SPEAKER_00 8:09

And that's what I mean. And perimenopause is a thing, but you don't realize there's anything you can do about it. It's more like, oh, it's natural, you have perimenopause, or you have met you're in menopause.

SPEAKER_01 8:18

You just get to go through this for 10 years. Deal with it.

SPEAKER_00 8:21

It's like, is this my life now?

SPEAKER_01 8:23

It's your that's what they want you to do. They want you to accept that that is your life. That's your sentence for being a female, and this is your stage of life that you're in. I say F off. Yeah. No, no, no.

SPEAKER_00 8:38

So, what type of results do you feel like you've seen since you have well, I mean, I guess just really what's your story?

SPEAKER_01 8:45

Because I mean My story is so different from yours, really.

SPEAKER_00 8:48

Very different.

SPEAKER_01 8:49

Yeah. I was uh blessed at with starting over my life at 42 years of age. Um, the big guy upstairs decided that I wasn't done having children. So I had a child in my 40s, which they say is possible. And yes, I mean, I'm proof positive it's possible. You can have a child. He's perfectly healthy, he's beautiful, but my entire body was wrecked from it. So six months after I had him, I stopped breastfeeding and my body shut down. It stopped working completely. I gained 50 pounds probably within a month and could not figure out what was going on with my body. Within a month, I had a perfectly normal pregnancy. I didn't gain an excess amount of weight. I was fine. I lost the baby weight pretty quickly after I had them. So I'm like, oh, this is nothing. What do people talk about? Having a baby in their 40s is hard. And then six months after that, my thyroid spiked to a number that my doctor said that they've never even seen before. That's reassuring. Then they are like, okay, well, it's just your thyroid pop problem. And that was my life sentence. And I'm like, well, this can't be it. There's gotta be a pill that fixes the thyroid problem. I know tons of people that take thyroid medicine. And the doctors just kept saying, like, I had to wait for the medicine to do its thing. And I just refused. I kind of stomped and kicked and fought and went to different doctors and begged and pleaded and cried. Oh my God, Holly, I broke down and cried in front of so many doctors. It was embarrassing. I'd walk out like hating myself because I'm like, you weak bee, like you know, pull up your big girl panties. It's gonna be fine. We'll find the doctor that's gonna help. But I was so frustrated that nobody could help me.

SPEAKER_00 10:42

And you're exhausted.

SPEAKER_01 10:43

Yes.

SPEAKER_00 10:43

You're advocating for yourself. You know you're not yourself, you're running this problem, and they essentially are telling you they can't help you. Like there's not much they can do. Yep.

SPEAKER_01 10:51

Working full-time with a newborn and a family. You know, I have a bonus son and an older son, and so I'm taking care of everybody and still trying to figure out what's wrong with me. So it's like a part-time job.

SPEAKER_00 11:05

Yeah. Are you do you still take something for your thyroid now?

SPEAKER_01 11:08

Yep. I sure do. And I still believe to this day that it does not help. Really? And that's one thing we'll talk about also in a later episode is supplements. Um, but I take a significant amount of supplements to keep things running steady, yeah, in addition to the pellets.

SPEAKER_00 11:28

Yeah, yeah, I do too. I take quite a bit of supplements as well. What is when you started the pellets, did you then see a change with your weight?

SPEAKER_01 11:38

So not instantly. So not with the first round. Um, it was probably three rounds in before the weight started just kind of coming off, and I'm like, what's happening? Like, I didn't change what I was doing. I my energy um doctor nurse, she suggested that I reduce my sugar intake and reduce my flour intake, my wheat and flour intake. And so I had already been doing that prior to the pellets for at least a year. So I'm like, I'm not changing my diet, I'm not changing any routines, so I can 100% attribute the weight loss to the pellets. Yeah. Yeah. I felt really good. My joints didn't hurt as bad. I had the energy. It was strange. I think I told you this the first time I got the pellets. It was maybe like a month into it, and I went upstairs at my house, and it didn't feel like I needed to pull myself.

SPEAKER_00 12:39

I do, I do remember you telling me.

SPEAKER_01 12:42

I go, what? Something just happened. Something just clicked because it didn't hurt my knees to do the stairs. I didn't feel like I was winded when I got to the top, and I had, I don't know what what's the word for it? Buoyancy. Like I felt like I could almost run the stairs, you know.

SPEAKER_00 12:58

Look at you.

SPEAKER_01 12:58

Yeah, I know. I'm like, oh, maybe I'll start working out. Don't get crazy. That is one thing I'm not gonna do.

SPEAKER_00 13:06

Like Holly is work out six days a week. The achiness is like a big thing that I did not realize could be to like a hormone imbalance. Right. I had that before my hysterectomy, and again, I was putting that to other medical conditions, and I'm like, well, maybe that's it. And I hear of people that they're like, my body hurts, and I mean my hips hurt. I mean, I felt like a 90-year-old woman before I had that.

SPEAKER_01 13:29

That is the best way to describe it. I felt so old.

SPEAKER_00 13:32

I was like, this is I'm 38. What is that? So I mean, that has been, I mean, I don't have that anymore.

SPEAKER_01 13:40

Well, you know, I'm significantly older than you. I'm in the I don't know about significantly. I'm in a little different age bracket. So I really thought I was questioning whether I could actually have arthritis already. You know, I'm like, what does arthritis?

SPEAKER_00 13:56

But you're saying that I was putting arthritis cream on.

SPEAKER_01 14:00

So you had already attributed it to arthritis.

SPEAKER_00 14:02

Yeah, I was like, well, what else could some of this be? I don't know. That's terrible. Oh my god, that cracks me up. I guess for the reference.

SPEAKER_01 14:12

Is it like Ben Gay?

SPEAKER_00 14:13

I don't know. I will say I got it from my husband because he's clearly using the band. You didn't get it from Nancy's cabinet? No, I don't think that she has to use arthritis cream. She has been using the pellets for like 20 years, I think now.

SPEAKER_01 14:28

That's amazing.

SPEAKER_00 14:29

So we'll see. We're hopefully we'll have her on here to talk about her experience. Maybe she can tell us about the arthritis cream. Maybe I don't think I've ever seen her with arthritis cream, so I don't know that that's something she needs. Which again, I don't maybe it's from the pellets.

SPEAKER_01 14:43

But I mean that is a testament.

SPEAKER_00 14:44

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 14:45

And by the way, side note here, we're not advocating everybody needs to do pellets. It just happens to be that both it worked for both Holly and I. We think everybody's different, and that there is a chance, you know, pellets might not work for everybody, and it might just be a supplement that helps turn them around. But we're here to bring that information to everybody because we have done some research.

SPEAKER_00 15:09

And just to talk about it, like normalize again, like just think that people look at you like you're I mean your husbands, I don't know, your spouses, your friends, like you're a little crazy, and you're like, I can't help that I feel this way.

SPEAKER_01 15:22

Jay says that I'm like bitey, I think is the word that he uses to describe me. And I don't even notice it half the time.

SPEAKER_00 15:31

Yeah. Well, yeah. I mean, I don't there's nothing intentional there. Right. But I'm like, if I I'm telling you, if I did not get my hormones in checked, I don't know that my husband would have put up with me much longer.

SPEAKER_01 15:42

I mean, I was mean. I was maybe that's the reason the divorce rate kind of smikes in the 40s. Like the husbands don't know how to deal with that.

SPEAKER_00 15:51

I think that it is, somewhat. I understand there's other reasons, but I think that that's a detributing one. Like you're going through all this and it's impossible. When you're in it, you don't you can't really vocalize. Like, I can't control this.

SPEAKER_01 16:03

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 16:03

Like, this is how I feel.

SPEAKER_01 16:05

Well, it is incontrollable because we don't even we didn't even know what to do with it when before the pellets, we weren't sure how to handle ourselves, much less coach them on how to handle us. True. We were kind of going through a crazy phase.

SPEAKER_00 16:19

Absolutely. I I was even a little cray cray at work. I mean, I I feel like I used up most my patients because I knew I couldn't be too crazy, but they're definitely co-workers. And I, you know, I hate to say that they're male. I do think that I tended to take my anger again, unintentionally, out on them. But I even have had a few male coworkers say to me, like, oh, you just seem more lighthearted. You seem a little like, oh no.

SPEAKER_01 16:48

It's awful. It's awful because you didn't know that you were really coming across a crash in some way, you know?

SPEAKER_00 16:56

Yes and no. I mean, I think that there were some comments, especially like my husband, I think was indicating things to me, and it it would piss me off. Like it didn't, I didn't ever look at it from a logical lens and be like, oh yeah, maybe he's saying that because I just like was so snippy and short with him. And I like I don't there's no reason for that.

SPEAKER_01 17:16

Well, let's face it, sometimes there is a reason to be snippy with the boys.

SPEAKER_00 17:22

He still does have to deal with it. I do um struggle when I have to wait to get to my next pellets because you can only get them every 12 weeks, and I do a pretty good job of making it, but sometimes they start wearing, and like symptom number one of them wearing is that if my husband walks in a room, it's like the biggest mistake he's made. I'm like, I'm like, why are you here? And I do, I feel terrible. I feel bad because I'm like, I know now, like I can see it, and I'm like, I'm annoyed just that he walked in a room and he seriously didn't do a thing. He didn't say a word. But I'm like, but I also know that I can't control it. So I'm trying to be better at communicating than that.

SPEAKER_01 18:02

That's what I was gonna say. You did develop a communication.

SPEAKER_00 18:09

Because I'm like, I mean, we're scared. I don't know.

SPEAKER_01 18:12

Did you ever ask Jake if he would come on the podcast with us?

SPEAKER_00 18:15

Um, I I I that would be hard. But we'll see. Maybe we can get him on here.

SPEAKER_01 18:20

I think Jay would do it. I think Jay would think it's a therapy session. Just tricky. Let me just explain to you how bad she was.

SPEAKER_00 18:27

I I would have to vet what he was gonna say on microphones.

SPEAKER_01 18:32

We might have to do extensive editing.

SPEAKER_00 18:34

Yeah, yeah. But he might do it. I don't know. We'll see how this goes. I think we could get him if I start getting some people to listen, maybe, but Nancy. My mom, my mom will listen to I'm her baby. So I love it. Yeah, but I don't know. I think that it's just such an important thing to talk about. And I do think it's important to note that men can obviously have hormone imbalance as well. It is, it usually is more like it hits women usually much earlier in life than it does men, but it can definitely be an off balance there too.

SPEAKER_01 19:10

Speaking of men, there's somebody in your life that gets pellets that is me a man.

SPEAKER_00 19:17

Yeah, I don't know that I have permission to speak on it. I would need to get permission. I do know a male that gets a pellet, like a testosterone pellet. Um, I don't think very often. I do think it lasts longer. Maybe because he's a man. I know the metabolism is slower, I think that has something to do with it. Um but yeah, I mean, in the place that we go for hormones, they treat men and women. It's not just a female hormone center.

SPEAKER_01 19:44

I have a couple of friends friends that are a couple and they both get testosterone injections, like shots. Yes, um, on a regular basis. They go together.

SPEAKER_00 19:54

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 19:55

And it works. So I think that is something. No, like it's not just women.

SPEAKER_00 20:00

No, it's not. And it's okay. Again, it's like a natural thing. There's nothing you can do about it. Right. Like you can't stop it.

SPEAKER_01 20:05

No, we found that out.

SPEAKER_00 20:06

Yeah, right. Yeah. I think the other important piece is blood work. I know there's a lot of places like you can get hormone treatment, but they don't do blood work, which I find odd.

SPEAKER_01 20:16

Because how do you treat something and you don't know what level it's at?

SPEAKER_00 20:19

That's what I'm saying. There's different amounts that you need. Um and I that's what I do like about where we go is that they do do the blood work and they do know when they need to adjust something or how it's going. Um, it makes me feel better about the whole thing because I feel like I'm being checked. But like they check for vitamin D. No one doctors ever checked for vitamin D for me. Nope. And I had low vitamin D. Like that alone can help you. So I don't know. I think that that's important. But again, you do you. But I do think that getting some some blood work to back what it is that you need is important.

SPEAKER_01 20:53

I think that was my favorite part about my pellet journey was it was so easy to get the blood work, and Judy, you'll hear the word Judy quite frequently throughout this because she's um our doctor. No, nurse. She's our nurse that facilitates our pellets for us, and she is amazing. She sat down with me at my first appointment and went line by line through all of the blood work and told me what the level meant and told me what it was affecting on me. Right. So, like, my she goes, Well, this one's for belly fat. Like straight away, I'm like, What? There's a one single hormone that if it's off and low could affect your belly fat. That's pretty impressive.

SPEAKER_00 21:41

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 21:42

Yeah. She blew me away with her knowledge. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 21:45

And she does. She takes the time with you. I have another friend that just went there and they didn't really have much off uh a little bit of testosterone. Um, but I mean, she's like, she still sat there and went over all of these results with me and took this time. And I think that shows. I mean, I don't feel like they're in it for like the money, like to try to get anybody to take it. Like, I, you know, they know when you're not a candidate for it. And again, all places are not like that. So, you know, be careful out there. I don't, you know, you can't just trust everybody. So you still have to advocate for yourself.

SPEAKER_01 22:16

100%. I think that's the biggest thing to note. Is being a self-advocate is the only way that you're gonna come through on the other side.

SPEAKER_00 22:24

Right.

SPEAKER_01 22:25

Because you can't just think, oh, I'm gonna go get pellets and I'm gonna feel so much better. No, you have to like really evaluate your changes and where you're at before you get the pellets and how you feel throughout the three months after you get the pellets.

SPEAKER_00 22:39

Yeah, I agree.

SPEAKER_01 22:40

I did a little diary for the first round because it's well, I not right away, but as soon as I had that experience on the stairs, I'm like, uh-oh, something's happening. We better document this.

SPEAKER_00 22:55

What else you got in there?

SPEAKER_01 22:57

I write a lot of things down. So if you ever want to know anything, it's in my notes on my phone.

SPEAKER_00 23:02

Okay, got it.

SPEAKER_01 23:03

Yep. Noted. Document every time I go to the doctor. I should probably pull that up the first year after I had Bodhi. I was going to the doctor two and three times a month.

unknown 23:14

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 23:14

And it's awful. Talk about it.

SPEAKER_01 23:18

No. And then a lot of them want to just give you a pill and send you on your way. And then all those pills have side effects.

SPEAKER_00 23:24

Every single one. That's when I was having my issues before my hysterectomy, I had a lot of the different things. Anxiety again, we'll go into more of those, but like I had a ton, and it was always the answer was a prescription pill. I was like ways. I I don't I am off all prescription pills other than one, and I felt like all I had was prescription pills before that.

SPEAKER_01 23:43

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 23:44

Because they were treating the symptoms of what my hormone imbalance was. But nobody wanted to look at your hormone. It was never mentioned. It was never mentioned as an option.

SPEAKER_01 23:53

I know it. Isn't that crazy?

SPEAKER_00 23:56

It's crazy.

SPEAKER_01 23:57

And I don't know what their fear is.

SPEAKER_00 24:00

Yeah, I have no idea.

SPEAKER_01 24:02

I bet it's more the fact that they don't understand it. That's why you have to go to a hormone expert.

SPEAKER_00 24:06

Well, and I know certain hormones, not all of them, but like the pellets are not FDA approved. I do know that. Um but there are options that are. Um but I think that I don't know if that's the reason. I mean, in a lot of it's been, you know, the pharmaceutical companies want their prescription to be and the doctors get the kickbacks from those prescriptions.

SPEAKER_01 24:26

So it's kind of a domino effect. Correct. Yeah. So by the way, we are not experts on the medical field at all. We are just talking from what we know from conversations that we've had. Yeah, we're not experts on anything. We're experts on Renee and Holly.

SPEAKER_00 24:44

Yeah, that's it. And we like to talk and we like to talk about our hormones, and it makes us feel more validated. And again, whole reason for this.

SPEAKER_01 24:54

So we hope that's what it does for our listeners too. It gives them a little level of validation.

SPEAKER_00 24:59

Yes. And hopefully the further we get into this, the the more it helps you. But we wanted to stay high-level first episode so we could uh get you guys just to get to know us and get a basis of what our stories are.

SPEAKER_01 25:11

That's right. That's right. But we do have plenty of topics to talk about coming up. So here's just a list of a few things. You're gonna meet Miss Nancy. So we can't wait for to have her on. We're gonna talk about skincare and acne and some things that have worked for us and some things that haven't worked for us. Um, we touched on weight gain today, so we'll have a whole episode on weight loss and weight gain. I have a friend that's lost a ton of weight through her whole perimenopause process, and the doctors can't figure out why she's losing weight. Interesting. Yeah, I wish I was blessed with that. She says it's not a blessing. It's not always a blessing. Um, but more things the energy and fatigue, struggle, anxiety, sleep, menopause belly. That's okay I mean, that's a whole episode, y'all.

SPEAKER_00 26:02

I learned that from Judy. She used that word to me, and I words, and I was like, what?

SPEAKER_01 26:08

What is that? No. I do not want to meet menopause belly. Um, but then we also talked about relationships. We might meet a husband or two, and the libido, I'm sure they'd want to come on for that conversation. I can't imagine Jake what to talk about. Oh, Jake will talk about it all day long. Yep, we'll just put him right here.

unknown 26:30

Great.

SPEAKER_01 26:31

Um, and then one thing that I really struggle from are headaches. So I have a really big issue with headaches, um, brain fog that comes from the headaches, but also you get brain fog from pain too. So when your body's in pain, it's just kind of a distraction for your thinking, your cognitive function. So there's a lot of things that we can get into on that.

SPEAKER_00 26:51

Yep. And we both have a bit of a headache journey, still different though.

SPEAKER_01 26:54

Yep.

SPEAKER_00 26:55

On what that's like for us.

SPEAKER_01 26:57

So lots of fun topics.

SPEAKER_00 26:59

I don't know. Oh my god.

SPEAKER_01 27:00

Maybe not so fun, but some for real topics that we're gonna get into.

SPEAKER_00 27:04

And we're pretty honest, so for the most part, we'll share.

SPEAKER_01 27:08

And I think I did a really good job because I didn't cuss too much, but I am not putting a disclaimer out there that I'm not gonna cuss.

SPEAKER_00 27:15

Did you cuss?

SPEAKER_01 27:16

Well, I said B. Oh, okay. I was trying to I'm trying to ease them in so they don't get the vulgar renowned straight out the gate.

SPEAKER_00 27:23

I can't promise that I'm not gonna cuss either. So if you don't like cussing, don't listen, I guess.

SPEAKER_01 27:28

And we um are not on cocktails today, so we wanted to take it serious for our first round so you guys know, baseline us. Wait till we add cocktails, that'll be fun. It's a different version of the margaritas are in the future, okay?

SPEAKER_00 27:41

Different version of us.

SPEAKER_01 27:43

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